5 Aug 2019
Ms Sun Xueling
Blk 308B Punggol Walk
#01-364
Waterway Terraces 1
Singapore 822308
Dear Ms Sun,
No Full Reply Or No Reply was Given
At the Meet-the-People Session (MPS) of 22 Jul 19 I handed a six-page letter
Being Accountable To Parliament and asked you to bring up the complaint in Parliament. The letter was another summary, but broadly to reflect the situation that led to the six issues complained about. The other two summaries in more details were
Bringing Up To The Prime Minister and
Documents Provide The Explanation. I have to refer to letters, emails and postings in the blog to make the issues clear. Hard copy of all the documents were handed over to MPS, Ang Mo Kio to be submitted to Parliament.
The petition writer should have written to inform you about the situation because you still said that CPF had replied to me many times.
I have therefore printed copy of replies by officers to show the issues were not addressed under Annuity Premium Deduction, Refund to CPF Account and CPF LIFE, and $5,000 Deposit in Resale Documents. Noise from the Neighbour and Sales Agents were covered in the summaries. Officers were involved in all six issues. Noise from the Neighbour was the cause of all the others.
Salient Points 2 (40) is my comments on the issues.
Please give me a reply as to whether you could bring up the problem in Parliament.
Yours Sincerely,
hh
1. Annuity Premium Deduction
Quoted From Salient Points 2 (40)
SP2-Annuity Premium Deduction
1.
27 Jun 19
Letter from Lifelong Income Department, CPFB
CPF LIFE
“As you are reaching your payout eligibility age of 65, you will start to receive your CPF LIFE monthly payout from August 2019. The monthly payout had taken into consideration an additional annuity premium deduction of $2,134.32, and the extra interest earned on your CPF balances. You will receive payouts from your CPF LIFE plan for as long as you live. You may refer to the Policy Certificate for your policy details and read the enclosed Important Notes on CPF LIFE.”
(The letter was written without officer’s name and signature. When I told the officer who attended to me at CPF Tampines Service Centre that the letter was not signed to avoid responsibility, she said the letter was computerised. But the mistake was with “an additional annuity premium deduction of $2,134.32, and the extra interest earned on your CPF balances”, which the officer had acknowledged. Without question, the rest of the letter could be computerised.
This is a new issue and the second time the letter for the issuance of Policy Certificate was sent without name and signature because officer knew mistakes were made in the Policy Certificate. Please refer to my comments of the latter Policy Certificate in Salient Point (40) of 12 Jan 15 and 4 Feb 15 and the former Policy Certificate is the next item below.)
2.
9 Jul 19
Letter handed in at CPF Tampines Service Centre
Annuity Premium Deduction And Retirement Account Balance Toward CPF LIFE
“The letter stated “The monthly payout had taken into consideration an additional annuity premium deduction of $2,134.32, and the extra interest earned on your CPF balances.”
Is the additional annuity premium deduction of $2,134.32 the extra interest earned on CPF balances or are they separate items? How did the $2,134.32 come about. It seems to me the additional annuity premium deduction of $2,134.32 is a purchase of additional CPF LIFE, commencement date 27 June 2019, which I did not make.
2. The monthly payout of $1,461.32 is also an issue. If the increase of the monthly payout came from the additional annuity premium deduction of $2,134.32, what was the amount of the increase? I subtracted the monthly payout of $1,461.32 from the lower range and upper range monthly payout of the previous additional CPF LIFE to calculate the rate of returns, but the two rates of returns varied too widely to be of any use.”
“3. From the Important Notes on CPF LIFE on CPF LIFE Annuity Premium:
If you join CPF LIFE before your DDA, there will be deductions of two annuity premiums.
The first annuity premium has been deducted upon the issuance of your CPF LIFE Plan.
The second annuity premium will be deducted two months before your DDA, subject to the available balances in your Retirement Account (RA) for the premium deduction. The second deduction will be done automatically, and you will be informed of the exact monthly payout that you will receive from your DDA after the deduction is made.
Why was the available balance in RA of $3,484.32 as indicated in the Policy Certificate not deducted?
4. Mistakes were made when I was asked to purchase the two additional CPF LIFE. In my case Item 3 applies. The Important Notes on CPF LIFE listed all the situations for the deduction of annuity premium.”
(It seemed the additional annuity premium deduction of $2,134.32 came from the available balance in RA of $3,484.32 as of Jan-Dec 2018. When the officer told me I had an amount in my RA from the record, I asked her to add the amount to the $2,134.32. The sum came to be the same as the available balance in RA of $3,484.32 as of Jan-Dec 2018. The sum of $3,484.32 was shown in the Policy Certificate as RA Balance at policy issuance. The letter from Lifelong Income Department to inform the start of monthly payout and the enclosed Policy Certificate were both dated 27 Jun 19.
Statements from two documents, Important Notes on CPF LIFE on Annuity Premium and Policy Certificate, are clear on the matter. The Important Notes on CPF LIFE on Annuity Premium stated “The second annuity premium will be deducted two months before your DDA, subject to the available balances in your Retirement Account (RA) for the premium deduction. The second deduction will be done automatically, and you will be informed of the exact monthly payout that you will receive from your DDA after the deduction is made.” The Policy Certificate stated “The monthly payouts include the extra interest earned on the CPF balances and the CPF LIFE balances.”
Therefore it seems to me the available balance in RA of $3,484.32 as of Jan-Dec 2018 and the extra interest earned on the CPF balances including the extra interest earned on the CPF LIFE balances, should go into the monthly payout. The extra interest earned on the CPF LIFE balances comes from the unused annuity premium under CPF LIFE. The whole process is done automatically and the exact monthly payout begins on Aug 2019.
This was why I wrote to CPF Tampines Service Centre that “It seems to me the additional annuity premium deduction of $2,134.32 is a purchase of additional CPF LIFE, commencement date 27 June 2019, which I did not make.” and “Why was the available balance in RA of $3,484.32 as indicated in the Policy Certificate not deducted?”)
3.
15 Jul 19
Letter from Lifelong Income Department, CPFB
CPF LIFE
“We would like to explain that the premium deducted from your RA on 27 Jun 2019 is indeed for the issuance of an additional annuity. However, this additional annuity is the one that will be done automatically for all members at two months before their payout eligibility age.”
“Regarding the monthly payouts under CPF LIFE, we would like to clarify that the range provided to you previously does not represent the upper and lower limits of the payout. The range is meant as a reference for members who are not due to receive monthly payouts, based on the interest rate assumptions of 3.75% and 4.25%. However, for members like yourself who are starting their payouts, the computation will be done based on the current CPF RA interest rate of 4% per annum.”
(The reply did not show how the additional annuity premium deduction of $2,134.32 came about nor why the available balance in RA of $3,484.32 as of Jan-Dec 2018 was not deducted two months before DDA.
I could understand the payout done based on the RA interest rate of 4% and the premium deduction two months before the Draw Down Age (DDA). In my case, the payout should then be added to the payouts of the first CPF LIFE and the two additional CPF LIFE to arrive at the starting payout.
My spreadsheet showed that the rate of return of the first CPF LIFE was within the estimated range but not the two additional CPF LIFE, which were below the estimated lower range of 3.75%. The calculation of the upper and lower range of the first CPF LIFE, the two additional CPF LIFE and the earned interest for the year 2014 were 3.814% and 4.340%, 2.959% and 3.462%, 2.652% and 3.227%, and less than 0.001% and less than 0.001% respectively.
From the Important Notes on CPF LIFE on CPF LIFE Annuity Premium I should not have been asked to purchase the two additional CPF LIFE. There should have been only two deductions. The first upon issuance of the first CPF LIFE and the second done automatically for the starting payout two months before the DDA. The money that would have been left in the RA would have earned based rate of 4% and the extra interest, which included the unused annuity premium under CPF LIFE.
As it is, my payout has been lowered by the two additional CPF LIFE.)
2. Refund to CPF Account and CPF LIFE
Quoted From Salient Points 2 (40)
SP2-Summing Up
15.
12 Mar 19
Email from CPFB
Refund to CPF Account and Return of Deposit After Sale of Flat
“We have replied you on numerous occasions, we seek your understanding that we will not be replying further unless you have new enquiries.
Please refer to our reply dated 16 December 2014 on the details of the housing refund amount and our reply dated 30 April 2015 on the computation of CPF LIFE payout.”
(The senior executive avoided the questions just as the deputy director of 26 Feb 19. The reply of 30 April 2015 from a director did not show any computation except repeated the amount of payouts from document sent to me. She too stated “As the issues in your latest email are similar to those we have replied you on numerous occasions, we seek your understanding that [we] will not be replying further unless you have new enquiries.” I followed with 4 questions:
i) whether she agreed with the senior assistant director’s stand that there was to be no CPF refund,
ii) why was there no reply from CPF within the 7 working days stated in the application form for SHB submitted by the principal estate manager,
iii) whether the $4 more in payout from interest earned for the year that was included in the Policy Certificate issued for the second additional CPF LIFE was correct and
iv) why I was asked to purchase the first additional CPF LIFE with no safeguard in place.
She did not give a reply.
Please refer to the following:
i) Summing Up Item 16 of 14 Mar 19;
ii) Summing Up Item 22 of 31 Mar 19 Item 15d), Item 16;
iii) Summing Up Item 27 of 10 May 19, last question in italics; and
iv) Explanation (72) Item 3
The issues in the 4 questions were explained respectively.)
Quoted from Salient Points 2 (40)
Summing Up
16.
14 Mar 19
Email to MP
Refund to CPF Account and Return of Deposit After Sale of Flat
Dear Mr Teo,
1. CPF Refund
The senior assistant director’s email of 21 Nov 14 is better than her email of 16 Dec 14 as it referred directly to the 2012 CPF Act.
She stated Section 21B(11)(b) applied. But Section 21B(11)(b) refers to Section 15(15)(e), which states: “the charge shall
on the application of the member or any other person having an interest in the property be cancelled if the Board is satisfied of the occurrence of any one of the following events...”.
Since we did not make an application, Section 21B(11)(b) and Section 15(15)(e) do not apply.
The second paragraph of her reply quoted here cannot be followed because she did not expand on the various sub-sections. In any case it does not apply to our case because we did not make an application for withdrawal.
I stated Section 21B(11)(a)(i) applied. If it is Section 21B(11)(a)(ii), then the charge “are no longer required by any regulations made under section 77(1) to be repaid to the Fund”. Is there any reason why these two should not apply?
Her reply and the portion of 2012 CPF Act she quoted are as follows:
Her Reply
There was a CPF charge imposed on your HDB flat under section 21B(1) of the 2012 CPF Act due to the CPF moneys you used to purchase your flat. Section 21B(11)(b) of the 2012 CPF Act stated that a housing charge imposed under section 21B(1) would lapse when any of the events listed in section 15(15)(e) of the 2012 CPF Act happens.
Section 15(15)(e)(iii) of the 2012 CPF Act refers to a member complying with requirements of section 15(6). Section 15(6) refers to setting aside the Minimum Sum. Since you have set aside the full Minimum Sum before 1 Jan 2013, the CPF charge on your flat had lapsed pursuant to section 21B(11)(b) read with section 15(15)(e) of the 2012 CPF Act.
The Portion of 2012 CPF Act She Quoted
2012 CPF Act provisions:
15.- (6) Subject to subsections (6A), (8) and (8A), where a member of the Fund is entitled under subsection (2)(a), (3) or (4) to withdraw the sum standing to his credit in the Fund, at the time of the withdrawal and in accordance with any regulations made under this Act —
(a) a prescribed sum (referred to in this Act as the minimum sum) shall be set aside or topped-up —
(i)by the member; or
(ii)from the sum standing to the member’s credit in the Fund; and
(b)unless the Board otherwise allows, such amount as may be specified under subsection (6D) shall be set aside or topped-up in the member’s medisave account —
(i)by the member; or
(ii)from the sum standing to the member’s credit in the Fund after deducting any sum standing to the member’s credit in his retirement account.
(15) The following provisions shall apply to a charge created over any immovable property under subsection (9) or (9A):
(e)the charge shall on the application of the member or any other person having an interest in the property be cancelled if the Board is satisfied of the occurrence of any one of the following events:
(i)the death of the member;
(ii)the member is suffering from a terminal illness or disease;
(iii)the member has complied with the requirements of subsection (2A), (6), (7B) or (8A);
(iv)the member’s minimum sum has been exhausted on account of withdrawals made by him under subsection (7), the payment by him of a premium referred to in section 27L(1) or (1A), or both; or
(v)the member satisfies any of the grounds for withdrawals under subsection (2)(b) or (c).
21B.—(1) Where in accordance with any regulations made under section 77, a member of the Fund had or has before, on or after 1st January 2003 withdrawn any money standing to his credit in the Fund —
(a)to make full or partial payment towards the purchase or acquisition of an HDB flat;
(b)to repay or to make periodic payments towards the repayment of any loan taken by the member to finance or re-finance the purchase or acquisition of an HDB flat;
(c)to pay any improvement contribution due to the Housing and Development Board in respect of upgrading works carried out on an HDB flat under Part IVA of the Housing and Development Act (Cap. 129), or any improvement contribution due to a Town Council in respect of lift upgrading works carried out in relation to an HDB flat under Part IVA of the Town Councils Act (Cap. 329A), including the payment of costs, fees or other incidental expenses arising from such works; or
(d)to pay any costs, fees or other expenses incurred —
(i)for the purchase or acquisition of an HDB flat;
(ii)for obtaining a loan to finance or re-finance such purchase or acquisition; and
(iii)in connection with withdrawals of any money from the Fund,
there shall, immediately upon any such withdrawal, be a charge constituted on that HDB flat to secure the repayment of the money withdrawn from the Fund including the whole or such part, as the Board may determine, of the interest that would have been payable thereon if the withdrawal had not been made and to secure the payment of the minimum sum into the member’s retirement account.
(11) Any charge constituted under subsection (1) shall continue in force until —
(a)all moneys secured by the charge —
(i)have been repaid to the Fund; or
(ii)are no longer required by any regulations made under section 77(1) to be repaid to the Fund;
or
(b)the Board is satisfied of the occurrence of any of the events mentioned in section 15(15)(e).
2. CPF LIFE
The spreadsheet submitted on 3 Mar 14 shows three rate of returns lower than the lower range estimated by CPF LIFE.
The director’s letter of 30 Apr 15 did not explain why the rate of returns were low. It cannot be right that one of the them was lower than 0.001%. The rate of returns were adjusted to give the same monthly payout as estimated by CPF LIFE.
What the director wrote was statements from records. They were not explanation of mistakes made or not made. A copy of the director’s reply of 30 Apr 15 was submitted at MPS, Ang Mo Kio.
I forward the reply of 12 Mar 14 on the above CPF Refund and CPF LIFE.
Yours Sincerely,
hh
(Attachment - letter from director CPFB dated 30 Apr 15, Sheet L24 and L23)
15.
12 Mar 19
Email from CPFB
Refund to CPF Account and Return of Deposit After Sale of Flat
Dear [Sir]
We refer to your email of 3 March 2019 to Prime Minister Office (PMO) concerning the CPF refund upon sale of the flat at Pasir Ris St 11 and your CPF LIFE payout.
We have replied you on numerous occasions, we seek your understanding that we will not be replying further unless you have new enquiries.
Please refer to our reply dated 16 December 2014 on the details of the housing refund amount and our reply dated 30 April 2015 on the computation of CPF LIFE payout.
If you require further clarification, you may contact me at 6202 2060 from Monday to Friday (9.00am to 5.00pm).
Thank you.
Yours sincerely
[ ]
Senior Executive
Lifelong Income Department
Central Provident Fund Board
7.
26 Feb 19
Email from CPFB
Refund to CPF Account and Return of Deposit After Sale of Flat
Dear [Sir]
I refer to your request made through Mr Teo Chee Hean, MP for Pasir Ris-Punggol GRC, to clarify on your CPF refund upon sale of the flat at Pasir Ris St 11.
As we have explained to you several times on this matter, we regret that we will not respond to you further on the same matter. You may refer to the details regarding the refund amount in our last reply to you on 16 December 2014.
HDB will be responding to you on your remaining queries.
Yours sincerely
[ ]
Deputy Director
Housing Schemes Department
Central Provident Fund Board
2.
13 Feb 19
Letter from CPFB
Request for Clarification on CPF refund upon sale of flat
Please refer to Sheet SU2.
(Attachment - Letter from deputy director CPFB dated 13 Feb 19, Sheet SU2)
3. $5,000 Deposit in Resale Documents
Quoted from Salient Points 2 (40)
SP2-Summing Up
24.
16 Apr 19
Email from Resale Section of HDB
Sale Of Flat At [address]
“2 As we have explained to you in our earlier reply, you and your mother, [name of mother] have granted the Option To Purchase (OTP) to buyers on 25 Jan 2014 and received an Option Fee of $1,000 in cash. The buyers had paid you an Option Exercise Fee of $4,000 when they exercised the OTP on 25 Jan 2014. Together, the Option Fee and Option Exercise Fee form the deposit and is considered part of the agreed resale transacted price of [dollar amount]. You can refer to the OTP attached for reference.”
(Summing Up Item 25 of 29 Apr 19 below was my reply. I did not receive the OTP and no option fee and option exercise fee was received on 25 Jan 14.)
25.
29 Apr 19
Email to Resale Section of HDB
Sale Of Flat At [address]
“I negotiated the price with the buyers on 25 Jan 14 in the presence of salespersons for seller and buyer. If the Option To Purchase (OTP) was signed on 25 Jan 14 as indicated in the OTP, why wasn’t the OTP handed to me on the same day. Clause 5.1(b) of the OTP stated “deliver the signed Option (original copy) to the Seller”. And if I had received payment of option fee and exercise fee, were there receipts.”
SP2-Option To Purchase
(The question came about because I enquired of the $5000 deduction shown in the resale document from Resale Operation Section of HDB.
Please refer to the resale document at Salient Points (40) under SP-CPF Refund of 11 Mar 14 and 8 Apr 14 and their replies at SP2-Summing Up Item 12 of 4 Mar 19 and Item 24 of 16 Apr 19 above.
They stated the $5000 deposit was option fee and option exercise fee we had received that form part of the resale price of the flat. Although the fees were indicated in the OPT we had signed, the OTP was not given to us as required and there was no receipt to show we had received any fee. The situation is explained in Explanation (72) Item 4.)